Much was made of the fact that the bloody thumbprint in Paul Stine's cabe did not match with ALA.
The thumbprint always seemed to me to be something that was done on purpose, rather than by accident.
I was thinking a month or two ago about the thumbprint, and I remembered that on the original "Batman" series, there was an episode where someone attempted to take Bruce Wayne's fingerprints to find out if they matched Batman's prints. They did not, because Bruce/Batman had painted some latex on the ends of his fingers and had pressed the wet latex into a mold of a different print.
All you'd need is some liquid latex, and a ball of Silly Putty to take a print of someone else. With the Silly Putty, you could take several prints lay one on top of another to obscure the print without totally destroying it. And in those days, as long as you were non military and not a criminal, fingerprints of ordinary people were rare. Seems like something like that would have appealed to ZK... a great way to throw off the cops. And, since a plastic thumb wouldn't leave an ordinary print, you have to print it with something like.... blood.
It's at least as plausible as anything else.
The thumbprint always seemed to me to be something that was done on purpose, rather than by accident.
I was thinking a month or two ago about the thumbprint, and I remembered that on the original "Batman" series, there was an episode where someone attempted to take Bruce Wayne's fingerprints to find out if they matched Batman's prints. They did not, because Bruce/Batman had painted some latex on the ends of his fingers and had pressed the wet latex into a mold of a different print.
All you'd need is some liquid latex, and a ball of Silly Putty to take a print of someone else. With the Silly Putty, you could take several prints lay one on top of another to obscure the print without totally destroying it. And in those days, as long as you were non military and not a criminal, fingerprints of ordinary people were rare. Seems like something like that would have appealed to ZK... a great way to throw off the cops. And, since a plastic thumb wouldn't leave an ordinary print, you have to print it with something like.... blood.
It's at least as plausible as anything else.
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Re: The fingerprint in Paul Stine's cab
Sat, May 7, 2005 - 5:33 AMI think that at some point we're going to have to acknowledge that Zodiac probably wasn't ALA. The thumbprint doesn't match and the DNA from the letters doesn't match. I understand the desire to pin the murders on *someone* and that ALA was a great suspect.
I believe we're entering a period with the Zodiac case that's similar to that occupied by the "Jack the Ripper" murders. As far as JtR is concerned, we're probably never going to decisively pin the crimes on any one person. Can I decisively say that no one will be shown to be the Zodiac killer? Absolutely not. Look at the BTK case. After 30 years, Dennis Rader is arrested and charged with the killings, so anything is possible. I just think that the window is rapidly closing on being able to charge a person or definitively prove that they are/were Zodiac.
This is not a comment on you, Star*Gazer, or on any of my other friends on this tribe. I would have loved it if ALA were proven to be the guilty party. I just don't think it's going to happen. -
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Re: The fingerprint in Paul Stine's cab
Sun, May 22, 2005 - 7:53 PMOkay...
Do you think ALA knew Zodiac?
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Re: The fingerprint in Paul Stine's cab
Tue, May 24, 2005 - 2:00 PMIt is possible and you raise an interesting point. Do you know if anyone has done any research into whether the Zodiac murders were committed by a team? Not necessarily two people doing the killing, but maybe one person writing the letters and handling the mind-games, while the other committed the murders? I know, it sounds crazy, but I can think of a few other SKs who were out there in left field. -
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Re: The fingerprint in Paul Stine's cab
Tue, May 24, 2005 - 3:18 PMZodiac Unmasked argues at times for that point. It's plausible and not unprecedented.
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Re: The fingerprint in Paul Stine's cab
Tue, May 31, 2005 - 10:16 PMThe only two SK teams I know of were Leonard Lake/Charles Ng and the two women in Florida. I'm sure there are others, but I just don't know them.
I think it's possible. It's hard to believe that ALA's prints weren't on file somewhere.
It's interesting that the first police radio bulletins in the Paul Stine shooting were for a black male. Racial profiling? Possibly. The story goes that the police stopped a man fitting the Z discription to ask if he'd seen a black male. Perhaps that's the "team"...
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Re: The fingerprint in Paul Stine's cab
Thu, June 2, 2005 - 10:40 AMThese two teams;
Paul Bernardo & Karla Homolka aka Ken & Barbie up in canada and new york state 10 years ago and Kenneth Bianchi & Angelo Buono jr. aka Hillside Stranglers in california are a couple of the more popular teams off the top of my head but a quick scan of the encyclopedia of serial killers shows an amazing amount of tandems worldwide in the last half century.
www.serial-killer.org/index.php
I think the amount of 'coincidences' surrounding ALA and so many of the killings and evidence definitely makes him a piece in the puzzle. But I also think that interdepartmental ego battles and a lack of new forensic techniques his other half has been missed. -
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Re: The fingerprint in Paul Stine's cab
Mon, June 13, 2005 - 2:01 AMI thought of another one, Leonard Lake and Charles Ng.
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Re: The fingerprint in Paul Stine's cab
Mon, June 13, 2005 - 2:03 AM"It's hard to believe that ALA's prints weren't on file somewhere."
Wasn't ALA in the Navy? If so, I believe his fingerprints would have been taken as part of the induction into the service. I know my prints were taken when I joined the Army. -
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Re: The fingerprint in Paul Stine's cab
Tue, June 21, 2005 - 8:38 AMI looked in my copy of Unmasked, and ALA was arrested a few times, so obviously his prints were on file. My bad.
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